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and this is weapons

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has there been a moment

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that just solidified for you will you no

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longer have the luxury of disbelief that

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there is a phenomenon going on that it

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includes UFOs was there's one thing that

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you can put your finger on that says

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that did something to my way of looking

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at it

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well there were probably two events that

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happened very very quickly

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um right after Robert Bigelow purchased

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skin marker wrench in um in

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1996 it was around August of 1996.

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um I and Eric Davis and to some extent

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other people were deployed up on the

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property

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for you know five day tours ten day

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tours you know whatever but you know in

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in

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homestead one

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um near this newly built command and

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control center that we had just

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installed on the property

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um I was standing there with

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um I believe it was Eric Davis when

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coming from over Skinwalker Ridge which

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is the uh which is the cliff that that

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borders the northern edge of skin marker

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ranch right over the the cliff comes

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this very brightly lit low-flying object

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that was completely silent and it came

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from you know came from the north flew

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right over myself and Eric Davis and did

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a perfect herpin turn

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right above us silent and it was it was

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low enough that we you know it's very

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difficult to estimate altitude at night

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but this was a fast moving it was moving

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probably as fast as you see a lot of

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f-18s flying around Nellis Air Force

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Base in Las Vegas it was flying at least

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as fast as that but what really caught

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my eye was this incredibly sharp 180

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degree turn and then just kind of went

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back and followed his Exact Track

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disappeared North over Skinwalker Ridge

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and it was low enough that we should

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have heard something I mean we could see

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it very very brightly lit and there was

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a spooky silence associated with it and

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I knew sort of deep in my sort of gut

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that this was something else I mean it

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was very very it was a perfectly

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executed herpin turn I I think the

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g-forces that would have been sort of

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imparted to a pilot on this thing and

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this was 1996

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would have been absolutely enormous you

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know I mean we're talking strawberry jam

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around the cockpit so you see this with

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your own eyes yeah I mean I was standing

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looking at this thing as it executed

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this perfect turn right above my head so

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that that chain that that gave you a

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personal huh yeah okay yeah what's going

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on here something different because I

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mean we had seen stuff that we couldn't

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really sort of you know get our teeth

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into this was really kind of in your

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face you know and that that happened

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within two months of of being deployed

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on the property the second major thing

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happened a few months later we were

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standing and again Eric Davis was there

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um we were standing out in this small

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posture near Homestead to what's called

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Homestead two on or used to be called

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Homestead two on skin marker Ranch and

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um we had two dogs with us

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and

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probably a hundred feet to my left

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maybe 50 yards to my left suddenly out

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of nowhere this basketball sized object

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appeared about 15 feet above the ground

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it was brightly lit silent and it just

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moved around both myself and Eric Davis

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were looking at it and then it

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maintained the dogs were very silent

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they were right beside us when this was

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happening but then it vanished I mean it

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just kind of disappeared so this is uh

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Dr Eric Davis who has worked in these

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government UFO programs right who's a

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brilliant scientist so you guys are

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standing there and this is the second

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thing that really kind of shows you in

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your face you're saying basketball sized

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at a relatively close distance yeah it

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was probably 15 feet off the ground and

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probably 50 yards towards South now this

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is a very small pasture bounded by trees

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on either side and Pitch Black Knight

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like I mean yeah we're talking close to

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midnight here we were on a night watch

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we were actually there to check out a

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report from another investigator who had

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seen weird lights around this Homestead

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too so we were there the following night

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to to see if we could see anything okay

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so where are your cameras where your

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video cameras that's you know what well

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we what Eric Davis had a pair of night

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vision binoculars I had a pair I had I

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mean this was 1996 so I had a camera

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with infrared

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um infrared film back in the old days

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when we used to use film

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um infrared film in the camera so

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this happened probably three to four or

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five seconds okay so this was not a

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thing where we uh we sort of set up the

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camera on a tripod and start filming

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kind of thing this was boom and then it

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was gone but we did have long these

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incredibly powerful flashlights that law

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enforcement used I mean there were this

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massive batteries I mean these 20 pound

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batteries that you would carry and we

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lit up the pasture within a second of

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this thing disappearing I mean we lit up

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everything and you know

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first hypothesis is that somebody was

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playing a trick with us or you know

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somebody was projecting something from

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somewhere but we could find no evidence

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whatsoever of

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anybody except us in this pasture and

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it's it's dangerous to go like going to

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Skinwalker ranchers also live in rural

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myself like it's dangerous to don't walk

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on people's property I mean it is like a

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major thing to be sneaking around there

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and you got an investigate investigative

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team government-led on that property I

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know there have been some very serious

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security that was going on at that time

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um during some of the time you were

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working too so right it's just it's wild

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to me that you so you get these two

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displays and that that does change how

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does it change the way that you look at

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what you're doing now well you you know

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that my personal experience

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encompasses now as of 1996 1997

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objects that are very difficult to

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explain that I personally experienced so

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I mean do I

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write a scientific paper about this no

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um there's it's not reproducible there's

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not enough evidence these are transient

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phenomena but the in your face nature of

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both of these events

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um and the the way they happened and uh

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how they happened

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um changed my perspective because now

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you know I've personally seen something

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that I can't explain any solved things

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that were way more spectacular after

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that those are just the first ones I

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mean some of the things that we reported

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in the book hunt for the skinwalker were